wrk4peace
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Is anyone keeping track of how many kids came back yesterday from Camp Bournedale with H1N1? It is sounding huge. I know Bournedale hosted kids the previous week who became ill from tainted beef, but now their story reads just like ours: kids getting off the bus with H1N1. Was H1N1 sitting at Bournedale waiting for us or did we bring it down?! I suppose we can assume that it is everywhere at this point. |
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italianbmxer
Registered: 08/10/08
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wait, it hit into Windham now?  ouch. I heard that on the news the other day about Bournedale getting the nasty meat, and I was like "OH CRAP! Windham!?" But, it wasn't. Something says next year, won't be happening.
I say stop over-reacting. Swine flu is bad, yeah. But, weather it was there before we got there, or we brought it there, it's there now. And here now. I know Central Cal. has a huge absence rate. On Wednesday it was 208 according to a friend that goes there.
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Van
Registered: 10/14/09
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Can someone please verify this? Where did your information come from?
All the teachers and chaperones would also be infected...and they will infect their other children, and then other ages and grades. IF this is true, where is good old Dr Bass informing everyone? What about the School Board? Is Mike Hatem too sick with the virus to communicate with the public?!?!
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MayHatem
Registered: 07/13/05
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Hi All-Just read the thread and had to respond on a couple of items. One of our daughters is a 6th grader and came home Friday. Michael also chaperoned. I believe that approximately 15-20 kids had temps and had to come home. There was no diagnosis of H1N1 in the kids as far as we know and as many of you know from seeing the news and reading the papers, H1N1 diagnoses are not being made because health facilities are not testing for it unless the ill person is so affected that they are hospitalized. Seasonal flu is also rearing it's ugly head now and the only real difference between the two is that H1N1 has an additional symptom of GI distress (vomiting, diarrhea). More than likely, the kids are being affected by a seasonal flu or flu-like virus. Our other daughter is an 8th grader and had 14 kids out from one class alone due to fever.
I've been bombarded by the H1N1 vs. seasonal flu issue at work because I work for a visiting nurse association and our staff are out in people's homes caring for them so we have to be diligent about staff with flu-like symptoms. We also provide flu shots for communities in Mass.
As far as the beef issue goes, that was an e coli bacteria that infected the Rhode Island kids and Bournedale had to be cleared by the Mass Department of Public Health in order to further accept campers. From what I heard from Michael and some of the other parents, the place was immaculate and the beef was very well done Overall, the experience was as it always has been in previous years: extremely well-organized and a great learning environment.
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italianbmxer
Registered: 08/10/08
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and it probably is just seasonal, but there really is no way to be 100% sure unless they get tested. The only thing being with the Swine-Flu scare now, everyone assumes that the seasonal flu is the swine flu instead. Parents get scared, keep their kids home, etc. As is the case in Central Cal. , 208 absent on Wednesday, and according to May, many absent in Windham.
If it was last year, and swine flu wasn't raging (in people's minds), these absences simply wouldn't be happening :\. Well, a lot of them.
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MayHatem
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Italianbmxr-you are correct about the assumption that everything is swine flu. Trouble is, the doctors and hospitals do not want people going to them just because of fever and cough so there is no testing happening. Also, the absence rate is definitely affected by the new CDC indications for what's called "social distancing" to keep the spread minimal. This includes things like staying home even if you are fever free. Most work places and schools have adopted the guidelines that state you should be fever free for 24 hours WITHOUT the use of fever reducing medicines. This usually ends up with people staying out of sight for 3 days.
The key message is if you are sick, stay home. To prevent spread of infection, keep your hands clean, sneeze/cough into your elbow or shoulder, and don't touch your eyes, nose or mouth unless your hands are clean (so I guess we know why a lot of school age kids get sick-they're so careful about cleanliness!)
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rozhanitsy
Registered: 09/02/08
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Well, first of all, it doesn't much matter to me whether my kid has "seasonal" or "H1N1" flu. All I know is that, like many kids, she got off the bournedale bus with 103 degree fever. On the car ride home, I called the pediatrician who told me that it was most assuredly "H1N1" as the seasonal flu hadn't ramped up yet. Regardless, she is very sick. The "list" that I've seen so far is over 30 kids - all with the same symptoms: fever, cough, headache, chills, aches, etc. Whatever it is, it is highly contagious and, without the vaccine, can re-occur. No, I am not in a "panic", but like any parent with a sick kid, I am concerned. I have other kids that I do not want to see sick. No, I won't keep my other kids home "just in case", but I honestly believe that we are hitting the tip of the iceberg with this "flu".
BTW - I'm not convinced that the class of students preceeding our kids at bournedale were all sick from e.coli. This is from their town website documenting "flu like symptoms, not associated with e.coli" following bournedale: http://www.norfolknet.com/norfolk/posts/post0097.html |
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italianbmxer
Registered: 08/10/08
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I'm not a biologist and don't have a definite memory but, I thought that once you have one branch of the flu, that branch will not come back, because your body has antibodies built up to it...?
Sorry, Bio always was a weaker science for me :\ The trouble at Salem High is some of the people that are more likely to introduce it (those who go to out-of-town activities, such as dance/etc where many towns come together) are the ones who are most determined to stay in school for 180 days and never miss a day.
They aren't being rude about it, just caring too much about missing a day and thinking that their teachers won't let them make it up :\
HEY! Word of help here, I was told in Freshman year by a geometry teacher, a really at risk group when grading tests handed in, that if you microwave it, that ought to kill the germs! I haven't tested it on anything, but if someone wants to try it and find out.
I don't mean testing for bacteria, I mean if the text/writing will be affected. I know the bubble sheets had a bad day and didn't work out too well but maybe pen would work better.
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JCarpo
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italianbmxer ... you are correct with your thinking. Take an A for Bio! Once your infected with H1N1, your body establishes an immunity. The reason young children are more subseptable with catching H1N1 is with their lack of exposure. One of the few benefits with being old! Given the higher temp. of 103, the likelihood with having H1N1 is high. As for other flu bugs going around, they definitely are around. I don't know where rozhanitsy's pediatrician has been practicing over the last three weeks, but my family alone has experienced two flu cases. roz is correct with sending her children to school, as long as they do not have symptoms. Our weekend news of tainted hamburger, with affected dates towards the end of September, may well shed light on the past illness at Bournedale. That could have well played a part with the kids that suffered e coli on a previous outing. H1N1 could have also been the issue. If the affected kids had abnormal tempatures, it wasn't e coli. How long were our Windham kids at the camp?
http://www.wickedlocal.com/plymouth/news/x1520361500/E-coli-outbreak-reported-at-Camp-Bournedale
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MarkM
Registered: 10/04/06
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The reason everyone assumes every case of flu is H1N1 is because it probably is.
According to the latest weekly report from the CDC, during the week of 10/18-10/24, there were 8,268 positive flu tests reported to the CDC, of those only 21 (0.3%) were influenza B ("seasonal flu"), 5,453 (66.1%) were confirmed as H1N1, and the remaining 2,794 (33.8%) were confirmed as influenza A (probably H1N1) but no subtyping was done.
So why are people making such a fuss about H1N1? because although it is only slightly more serious than seasonal flu it appears to be a lot more infectious and it targets the young/healthy (5-40 years) more than seasonal flu: if you have H1N1 you can keep infecting other people for up to a week even if you no longer have a fever. The CDC expects up to 60% of Americans to get H1N1 compared to a typical flu season where 5-20% get the seasonal flu.
If the severity is the same but 3 to 4 times as many people catch it that probably means 3 to 4 times as many people will need hospitalization and possibly 3 to 4 times as many will die compared to a typical flu season: according to the CDC, during the week of 10/18-10/24, 9,973 people were hospitalized in the US for "influenza/pneumonia syndrome" and 619 died (the CDC no longer report H1N1 deaths but over 400 of those "influenza/pneumonia syndrome" deaths have been tested and confirmed as H1N1 by the various States departments of health).
It isn't the 1918/19 spanish flu all over again but it is more serious than a regular flu season.
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italianbmxer
Registered: 08/10/08
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Bournedale trip was from Monday to Friday when I went.
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twit22
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My step daughter works at Lahey in Burlington. She said the key thing they are looking for with people coming in is the vomiting, diarrhea which is the added kick just as MayH stated. That added problem is usually the deciding factor in the hospital to determine whether it is the H1N1 flu vs. the regular flu. Yet she also mentioned people coming in with high temps should be checked regardless as it is too dangerous for anyone to have that high a temp and in many cases keep them overnight.
I am not sure as I don't remember If it was 60 minutes or a newscast but it was on yesterday. They showed a young football star who got the H1N1 flu/virus and he was hospitalized for 3 weeks. Thank God he was a healthy kid. He was on ventilators and so forth. He was being fed via the nose with food and still was once recovered. Yet for 3 weeks this kid was really sick and he amazingly beat the H1N1 flu. He is now in therapy and can hardly talk obviously due to all the tubes etc. down his throat. Lucky Lucky kid. He has to build his lungs up again.
So I don't care if my kid has 100 or 103 degree's temp, I would take him to the hospital to be tested as to not get in the same situation as this kid was which was sad too see and all he went through and still has to go through to regain his health. I supose there just is real no good answer as everyone loves their kids..so to me do whatever you feel comfortable with it is your child.
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MayHatem
Registered: 07/13/05
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Hi all-good information being put out here. This is a great way to use this message board. Twit-I'm interested to know if Lahey is discouraging people from coming in for testing. I know the hospitals in the Merrimack Valley are telling people not to come in unless they are in respiratory distress or have dehydration symptoms (lethargy, dry skin, no tears etc.). Both of our daughters had high temps yesterday (103.5 and 101.5) with a sore throat but no other symptoms. The tough part with those symptoms is that strep is alos out there (no white patches as far as I could see on their throats). They are on the mend today and with no school tomorrow, they should be good to go Wednesday.
Bournedale was Monday to Friday just as IBMXR wrote.
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italianbmxer
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Also thinking back to Bio, the second someone gets an immunization shot is not when the become immune. It takes up to a week if I remember correctly again, so it's not a "get the shot, go to an infected school area!" kind of deal. Check with docter/maybe someone who is sure will post.
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JCarpo
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itanianbmxer ... your on a roll. It takes up to a week for the shot to begin working.
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